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Re: League Rules and Agreement

By GrandadB
10/05/2020 5:14 pm
Until and when JDB is able to correct "exploits" and non-simulative ploys, I would encourage the establishment of league rules, enforceable by the LA and banishment for continued infraction following a warning. The LC this past season was won on exploits, a predominant two defensive play selection strategy coupled with a converted SS to DE playing at DT1 at a weight of 256 lbs. That player totaled 55 sacks in the regular season, and 8 sacks alone in the CC game, 4 in the LC game, which is more than entire teams average in a game.

If this is not acceptable to the LA and league in general, let your position or opposition to enforceable rules to prevent exploitation & non-simulation be known in this thread. Ive been guilty in the past of both finding and using exploits, but have changed my attitude and position on it 180 degrees after reading a lot of posts about the issue and "re-wiring" my thinking.
Last edited at 10/05/2020 5:16 pm

Re: League Rules and Agreement

By RedNU
10/05/2020 5:19 pm
I am good with mirroring the rules that (for instance) CJ has with regard to positioning and the punt block. I just want clear guidance from the league at to what it wants rather than for to act unilaterally. I definitely think the game is more fun when played "in spirit" as opposed to as a quest to see who can "break" the norm and find the exploits (that's what beta leagues are for IMO...), but I also realize that I am one rather than all.

Re: League Rules and Agreement

By plasteredpickl2
10/05/2020 7:03 pm
GDB put in some intensive rules in the NCAA league that he took over reacently i think those are some decent rules. in regards to player positions and who can be moved where.
Last edited at 10/05/2020 7:05 pm

Re: League Rules and Agreement

By Garrok
10/05/2020 11:03 pm
I want to have a clean game, where guys gameplan hard against one another without resorting to exploits.
I’ll follow any rules put forth (and if I’m doing something wrong, by all means, call me out for it so I can do right)!

Re: League Rules and Agreement

By RedNU
10/05/2020 11:07 pm
plasteredpickl2 wrote:
GDB put in some intensive rules in the NCAA league that he took over reacently i think those are some decent rules. in regards to player positions and who can be moved where.


Care to share these GDB since I'm not in that league? I'm familiar with what CJ and Gustoon have done in their leagues.

Re: League Rules and Agreement

By IoanBlood
10/06/2020 12:37 am
Two questions:
1. Is it possible for the league admin to monitor the real amount of game plays of each GM?
I think no. This must be a "Gentlemen's Agreement" then to use e.g at least 10 defensive plays.

2. Will the league admin randomly examine matches for adhering to given rules or agreements?

I would like to vote for given rules / agreements like Gustoon's and CJ's.

Re: League Rules and Agreement

By RedNU
10/06/2020 2:07 am
IoanBlood wrote:
Two questions:
1. Is it possible for the league admin to monitor the real amount of game plays of each GM?
I think no. This must be a "Gentlemen's Agreement" then to use e.g at least 10 defensive plays.

2. Will the league admin randomly examine matches for adhering to given rules or agreements?

I would like to vote for given rules / agreements like Gustoon's and CJ's.


The number of plays in use could, if nothing else, be discerned from both the gameplan screen (where you can adjust by games to see the number of times each play was/has been called) as well as the PBP readout for what Off/Def plays were called, although the latter would require a decent amount of time for charting.

As for will I randomly monitor, I'll be honest -- I don't have time to pull a random sampling of games week in and week out and parse over plays and punts to make sure all is above board. I would imagine either the game planner for an upcoming contest or the opponent of a recently completed contest would likely be the one to raise an issue (as I believe to be the case in both Gustoon and CJ's leagues...), at which point I'd approach the owner in question, request compliance or, for repeat/chronic offenders, fire up the trebuchet and launch them over the wall.

If someone else has that level of time/commitment on their hands, I will gladly hand over the league power to them (while remaining with the Wallabies and contributing as much stuff as I can to give the league a little extra)
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Re: League Rules and Agreement

By trslick
10/06/2020 8:54 am
I agree Gdad, this is football and it can be played the right way, the fair way!

Re: League Rules and Agreement

By plasteredpickl2
10/06/2020 3:59 pm
hey red these are the position rules he put in the NCAA league. I just copy pasted it below

"The following rules were written up by jgcruz for the Paydirt League, MMan brought them to my attention, a couple of them have already been adopted for the NCAA league (punt rusher & WR/DB). The punt return rusher rule has been edited. Unless there is a valid reason posted to consider not using these rules, please consider them now in force. The more we are on a level playing field and nearer to simulating RL football, the better. I have used all of these "exploits", and will use them when I see others in a league using them. However, I dont have a problem not using them when league rules are in place to prohibit their use or JDB somehow programs the control on it. What happens when an "exploit" is used, is that it causes an obvious, non-simulative result, like 2 or more punt blocks in a game, or a WR playing CB picks off 4 passes out of 30 passes or less thrown at him, or a LB or S is the league leader in sacks. It was not the intent of JDB to have that happen and he's working on getting the game to be more of a simulation all the time.

A GM shall NOT insert a player into a position on the depth chart (including overrides) during the regular or post season which deviates from the following:

1. RB may include only players whose primary position is RB, FB, TE or WR.

2. FB may include only players whose primary position is RB, FB or TE.

3. TE may include only players whose primary position is FB, TE, WR or an offensive lineman.

4. WR may include only players whose primary position is RB, FB, TE or WR.

5. Offensive line players may only include players whose primary position is offensive lineman or TE.

6. Defensive line players may only include players whose primary position is a defensive lineman who weighs at least 276 lbs.

7. LB may only include players whose primary position is LB or S.

8. S may only include players whose primary position is S, CB or LB.

9. CB may only include players whose primary position is CB, S or LB.

10. Special teams rushers against punts, #2 thru 5, shall exclude players whose primary positions are CB, FS, SS or WR. Such players may only be used as outside LBs, blockers, and return in punt situations."

Re: League Rules and Agreement

By RedNU
10/06/2020 7:25 pm
plasteredpickl2 wrote:
hey red these are the position rules he put in the NCAA league. I just copy pasted it below

"The following rules were written up by jgcruz for the Paydirt League, MMan brought them to my attention, a couple of them have already been adopted for the NCAA league (punt rusher & WR/DB). The punt return rusher rule has been edited. Unless there is a valid reason posted to consider not using these rules, please consider them now in force. The more we are on a level playing field and nearer to simulating RL football, the better. I have used all of these "exploits", and will use them when I see others in a league using them. However, I dont have a problem not using them when league rules are in place to prohibit their use or JDB somehow programs the control on it. What happens when an "exploit" is used, is that it causes an obvious, non-simulative result, like 2 or more punt blocks in a game, or a WR playing CB picks off 4 passes out of 30 passes or less thrown at him, or a LB or S is the league leader in sacks. It was not the intent of JDB to have that happen and he's working on getting the game to be more of a simulation all the time.

A GM shall NOT insert a player into a position on the depth chart (including overrides) during the regular or post season which deviates from the following:

1. RB may include only players whose primary position is RB, FB, TE or WR.

2. FB may include only players whose primary position is RB, FB or TE.

3. TE may include only players whose primary position is FB, TE, WR or an offensive lineman.

4. WR may include only players whose primary position is RB, FB, TE or WR.

5. Offensive line players may only include players whose primary position is offensive lineman or TE.

6. Defensive line players may only include players whose primary position is a defensive lineman who weighs at least 276 lbs.

7. LB may only include players whose primary position is LB or S.

8. S may only include players whose primary position is S, CB or LB.

9. CB may only include players whose primary position is CB, S or LB.

10. Special teams rushers against punts, #2 thru 5, shall exclude players whose primary positions are CB, FS, SS or WR. Such players may only be used as outside LBs, blockers, and return in punt situations."


I like these!

I have a morbid curiosity question wondering why an FB cannot play O-Line since, in more than a few cases, the O-line is frequently their second-best position (Full disclosure -- I have more than one team where the backup FB is also a backup 4-spot (or even 5-spot) O-lineman because the fit is so nice...but I've never felt like it leveraged me any sort of advantage.)