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RULE PROPOSAL

From a league member -- "I figured that it would be corrected by now but it hasnt, its still there, not quite as strong, but still there. I noticed in one of the leagues that they instituted a rule that does not allow for DBs, RBs or WRs (high speed) to be put in the DL on special teams. Im all for that as I dont think anyone should lose because they get two or more punts blocked. In RL, they put speed on the outside DL to both block punts and FG/Xp's. But the % we get from doing that on punts in MFN is way too high. So, Im all for it if we get agreement by majority in the Elite." SHOULD THE EFL ADOPT THIS AS A RULE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE EXPLOIT IS FIXED? (will implement if a majority approve)

Yes, adopt the rule.
13
No.
1

Re: RULE PROPOSAL

By CooterBrown
4/02/2020 4:57 pm
Ok, well, I am going to be pretty much like Tarq and abstain on the ruling how've yall decide. I never really thought of it as being entirely an exploit. Especially in this league because with the seasoned veteran ownership were haven here in the EFL, using fast WRs or RBs to punt block is typically negated by the punt team''s blocking. I do and have used fast guys to try and find an edge in this and other leagues. However, I have no problem in refraining in the practice as a "Gentleman's Agreement " or like Marquis of Kingsbury and such. But....But. ...if we do agree on it, and then someone does try and exploit it (because I don't always watch every minute of every single game), I will confess now I am going to call out complete B.S. and not be overly polite if it happens. Just my two cents.
Last edited at 4/02/2020 4:58 pm

Re: RULE PROPOSAL

By Wolfkill
4/02/2020 6:25 pm
Already looks like a shutout.
The ones who use this will obviously not vote, so it leaves how many undecided?

Re: RULE PROPOSAL

By Phaldun
4/02/2020 6:58 pm
Hey Tarq.....Wouldn't intelligence be pretty important for almost every position. For linemen of 50 int or lower.....they would blow their assignment more often and defenders zip by them. The same for DBs. Even a CB with high speed, cover, and other categories will still get burned often with a low int because of blown assignments. Correct me if I am wrong....but this would make sense right?

Re: RULE PROPOSAL

By Phaldun
4/02/2020 9:23 pm
This is just a hypothesis...........because from my experience playing the game.....it just makes sense. Whatever team you have..............if you are experiencing problems with these irregular position players stepping in on special teams and getting too many punt blocks...........please check the settings on your linemen's Intelligence. I mean they must have a high rating in other categories as well like pass block, and I think.........at least against these faster DB or WR punt blockers.........Strength matters a lot as well.. Just think and rationalize what happens to a speedy player......who runs into a wall of strength and intelligence mixed with high pass blocking skill.............. I mean he will be stopped cold on most accounts. Look even if the offensive lineman has low speed......if his Intelligence and strength, along with his pass block skill is at a high level...................then perhaps these spikes will make up for his low speed. This is a simulation of numbers so you must calculate each special team linemen's skill.............and think about these important categories.

I have had a few punts blocked..........but very very few....and I have been playing this simulation for well over a year now...........I mean I might be wrong as ****..............but I might have a bit of light to shed on those that are having problems with this...

I vote **** NO! Because if people find a way around the basic rules and block more punts..........well then hats off to them for studying and figuring it out. The thing is........I believe in a cause and effect universe so if it is possible to create situations for more blocked punts........then it must be possible to create better defenses against this.

Re: RULE PROPOSAL

By andrewjolson71
4/04/2020 2:11 am
Wolfkill wrote:
Already looks like a shutout.
The ones who use this will obviously not vote, so it leaves how many undecided?


False. I use a CB as a DE on punt blocks (although it is not exactly to use the exploit, he has a high pass rush). And I still voted yes for the rule proposal.

Re: RULE PROPOSAL

By TarquinTheDark
4/04/2020 3:25 pm
Phaldun wrote:
This is just a hypothesis...........because from my experience playing the game.....it just makes sense. Whatever team you have..............if you are experiencing problems with these irregular position players stepping in on special teams and getting too many punt blocks...........please check the settings on your linemen's Intelligence. I mean they must have a high rating in other categories as well like pass block, and I think.........at least against these faster DB or WR punt blockers.........Strength matters a lot as well.. Just think and rationalize what happens to a speedy player......who runs into a wall of strength and intelligence mixed with high pass blocking skill.............. I mean he will be stopped cold on most accounts. Look even if the offensive lineman has low speed......if his Intelligence and strength, along with his pass block skill is at a high level...................then perhaps these spikes will make up for his low speed. This is a simulation of numbers so you must calculate each special team linemen's skill.............and think about these important categories.

I have had a few punts blocked..........but very very few....and I have been playing this simulation for well over a year now...........I mean I might be wrong as ****..............but I might have a bit of light to shed on those that are having problems with this...

I vote **** NO! Because if people find a way around the basic rules and block more punts..........well then hats off to them for studying and figuring it out. The thing is........I believe in a cause and effect universe so if it is possible to create situations for more blocked punts........then it must be possible to create better defenses against this.


Int matters a lot in many places that we wouldn't always expect ... I have been operating under the assumption that it didn't matter for punt blocking. I applaud your experimentation, and am very interested to see the results. It does make RL sense, just don't know if it has been implemented here.

Willingness to be wrong is the first step on the path to enlightenment, grasshopper.

Re: RULE PROPOSAL

By TarquinTheDark
4/04/2020 3:31 pm
Int affects the acquisition of play knowledge ... and I believe the punt line's play knowledge may have a lot to do with whether this is an exploit or not. I will definitely be looking at this in detail.
Last edited at 4/04/2020 3:31 pm

Re: RULE PROPOSAL

By RedNU
4/06/2020 11:41 pm
Having fallen short of a majority of league owners, and since we are entering Week 1 and I am loathe to change rules midseason for anything but the most extreme of circumstances, I will declare the measure defeated.

Carry on boys!
Last edited at 4/06/2020 11:41 pm

Re: RULE PROPOSAL

By GrandadB
4/07/2020 8:27 am
I was not able to get online and gameplan, my CB Stevens (95 speed) blocked 4 punts which were all converted into TDs, which contributed to the blow-out on the first game of the season. In Stevens particular case, he does not have a high pass rush att (37), guess it doesnt matter. I will be voluntarily abstaining from using a CB at the DE spot on punt return. Not that it cannot be countered, as I think it can and which has been discussed in this thread, but because, as in the case of my first game, its not a simulation when your team blocks 4 punts and scores 4 TDs on the recovery. I was one of the first, if not the first to discover this "exploit" and there is already one league that has banned it, and Ive been hit with some harsh criticism for using it. I thought at the time that the other team owners/GMs should use the overide and figure out how to counter it, but the bottom line is that if you want a simulation that is closer to the real game, not a game where 2 or more punts get blocked for TDs or a season punt block stat that is closer to RL, then you should abstain from putting the 90+ speed CB at the RDE spot. Thats my 2 bucks worth (inflation).

Re: RULE PROPOSAL

By Wolfkill
4/07/2020 3:12 pm
andrewjolson71 wrote:
Wolfkill wrote:
Already looks like a shutout.
The ones who use this will obviously not vote, so it leaves how many undecided?


False. I use a CB as a DE on punt blocks (although it is not exactly to use the exploit, he has a high pass rush). And I still voted yes for the rule proposal.


Don't know what your talking about, obviously had nothing to do with what I was referring to at the time...so?