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Expansion draft

By Beefkababb
1/04/2019 6:11 pm
Just looking for some opinions here. How many rounds deep do you go before you start with the high volatility guys?

Re: Expansion draft

By Garrok
1/04/2019 7:20 pm
Depends on draft quality & your draft positioning (top of round vs bottom of round).
Also sometimes it's worthwhile to roll the dice on a high VOL in the end of Round 1 if the upside is worth it (chance at a top-5 player vs a depth piece).

Typically it's around the 4th Round for me.

Also NOTE: as you get later into the draft, the VOL can change from what's listed on the player card, as you get later in the draft the VOL can increase, higher as you get to the later rounds, but it won't be visible until after the player has been drafted.
ie. If a player card shows a VOL of 50, it will likely stay at 50 for Rounds 1-3, but once you get to Round 4 it might increase to 53, Round 5 to 60, Round 6 to 64, Round 7 to 70.
This increases the chance to landing a useful player later in the draft where the talent becomes harder to come by.

Re: Expansion draft

By mwd65
1/04/2019 8:21 pm
Garrok is right on with how I usually draft. However, lately I've looked more at taking a higher VOL player in Round 2 or 3 if the situation calls for it.

Example: I have a LB on my team rated at 75 and he is stable with his ratings (no more + or -). During the draft I have 2 players I like at LB, also rated at 75. Starting in Round 2, I would probably go with the higher VOL draftee, because he has more potential to boom to the 80's than the lower VOL player does. If he busts, I still have a decent LB at the starting position and the drafted player becomes the backup.

Disclaimer: When it works, it's great! But, you will get some busts in there, too.

Re: Expansion draft

By Beefkababb
1/04/2019 9:06 pm
That's pretty much how i do it also in the established leagues. What about when starting in a new league and drafting a whole team?
Last edited at 1/05/2019 2:19 am

Re: Expansion draft

By mwd65
1/05/2019 11:56 am
That's a different ballgame! There are many different ways owners evaluate the allocation. Mine is...

The first day, I will try and go with very low VOL players and young. These are the guys you want to be on your team for 10+ years, so I don't usually take a chance on VOL the first day. I will generally look for: QB / WR / 2DB's / and start with a Dline.

On Day 2, I'll start looking at what positions still have good players left. Those positions weak with talent left in the draft, I will try and grab early, still trying to look for low VOL guys, but more accepting of high VOL if position is needed.

Day 3 on, VOL doesn't matter much anymore to me.

Re: Expansion draft

By GrandadB - League Admin
1/07/2019 6:58 pm
mwd65 wrote:
That's a different ballgame! There are many different ways owners evaluate the allocation. Mine is...

The first day, I will try and go with very low VOL players and young. These are the guys you want to be on your team for 10+ years, so I don't usually take a chance on VOL the first day. I will generally look for: QB / WR / 2DB's / and start with a Dline.

On Day 2, I'll start looking at what positions still have good players left. Those positions weak with talent left in the draft, I will try and grab early, still trying to look for low VOL guys, but more accepting of high VOL if position is needed.

Day 3 on, VOL doesn't matter much anymore to me.


Guess we will have to wait to confirm how it is in 4.5. But in current 4.4, the WR position has taken a backseat to RB & TE. Receiving and rushing stats for the league bear this out. The running game has increased in importance. Good DE's are paramount on defense, adequate DTs that can stop the inside run are available late. I would also put SLB & MLB higher on the list of position importance. FB is also no longer a "non-producing" position, the FB can contribute more receiving in 4.4, and its not a bad idea to have 2 or 3 that can play FB & TE equally. Its also a good idea to get good pass blocking on your FB for 4.4

Re: Expansion draft

By raymattison21
1/31/2019 8:15 am
With a 50% chance of going up or down makes me use vol. as a tool . One to gauge a final number. As all ratings don't go up and down the same. For me I check for a tell of a boomer with good static ratings so he will end up technically sound as well.

This is the last few drafts rounds 1-3 under this tell. As rounds 4 through 7 the same tell doesn't work at all.

Eugene Boldt C 6' 4" 283 1-22 New Orleans New Orleans
81
86
John Flock TE 6' 4" 257 1-26 New Orleans New Orleans
83
88
Freeman Tomita FS 6' 0" 206 2-1 New Orleans New Orleans
72
81
Richard Hill QB 5' 10" 220 2-26 New Orleans New Orleans
66
79
Douglas Burditt CB 5' 11" 191 3-26 New Orleans New Orleans
66
81

lliam Shepard WR 5' 11" 198 1-15 Columbus Columbus
87
96
James Jefferson RB 5' 10" 217 2-15 Columbus Columbus
70
78
Johnny Scoggins RG 6' 2" 316 3-15 Columbus Columbus
75
82

ohn Wilson WR 5' 10" 198 1-17 Charleston Geechee Charleston Geechee
80
90
Micheal Moten FB 5' 11" 243 2-20 Charleston Geechee Charleston Geechee
61
74
John Claypoole RB 5' 10" 217 3-19 Charleston Geechee Charleston Geechee
73
78

roy Como WR 6' 1" 198 1-28 Houston Houston
55
90
Philip Hart MLB 6' 4" 273 2-28 Houston Houston
38
76
Thomas Cuevas RB 5' 11" 224 3-13 Houston Houston
45
77
Harold McKinney CB 6' 2" 235 3-28 Houston Houston
39
63
Frank Shaver FB 5' 11" 221 3-32 Houston Houston
49
74


That's 14 of 16 guys booming from my most recent drafts. Most with high vol.

Years ago Pre volatility being shown. Boomers were easy to spot imo. Since , some things have changed to make that harder, but after a year or so this method seems solid enough to say I cracked it for early half of the draft.

Fair or not in the past I have suggested that boomers Dont alway go up and busts don't always go down, but to add some variation to that model.

Or I just got real lucky ;)