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Re: Madden 17

By murderleg
10/27/2016 9:07 pm
jhartshorn wrote:
Quick question:
I downloaded Madden for Mobile last night and had a look.
I didn't like the constant winning packs and opening packs and saving sets etc - is that just a mobile thing or would I see that in real Madden?
Also, I was only playing one drive and either scoring TD/or not then it would say complete, well done here's a pack of cards!

I would prefer to forget all the **** that goes with it and just get on with the stuff we do here; choosing plays to match players etc.


No, that's just ultimate team. There is a franchise mode that I think is what you're looking for.

Re: Madden 17

By Brrexkl
11/04/2016 5:46 pm
jhartshorn wrote:
As you know I'm new to all things NFL, so no doubt you've all already posted your thoughts, but with Xmas coming and having been a good boy all year (sssh!), I'm wondering whether to go down this route. Just seen trailers and it looks awesome, although I fear I might end up spending 5 hours per day on it, and that'll have to come btw midnight and 6am! :O

I would be more interested in the management side (think it's called 'franchise').

Anyone got any thoughts or experiences of these?

The thing I enjoy most about the NFL and all these games is learning about the 1000's of plays and deciding which to play etc. I love the look of choosing the plays on the game and seeing how they pan out with real 3D players!

Anyway, your thoughts (as scathing as they no doubt will be) would be much appreciated!

jh


I've played Madden since it first came out. Don't miss a Season with it.

You can actually Manage without ever going into a game and 'playing' it... which I do from time to time. I also invite Friends and we'll Manage the games vs. the AI and Play our Head to Head Games, for a mix of who is the best at Management and who is the best at the sticks (controllers).

The issue I have, being a fairly good player, is that there is no realism in Stats. On All-Pro (the 2nd highest difficulty) I'll have 800 Passing or 400 Rushing a game on 10 Minute Quarters and always Win. On All Madden it's much tougher, I will still always Win (even with a Roster full of Rookies via Trade, or the Cleveland Browns) but the Rushing YPC is shot to **** and none of the stats are close to realistic.

Simulating, for the most part, DOES drive realistic stats. So if you want it for a Sim, you'll do well. But if you want it for a Realistic Play... you likely won't get that from any game.

However, there is a bonus. Madden goes VERY DEEP in Tutorial, even breaking down types of Offensive and Defensive Schemes you can practice in Drills. It will TEACH you who the Fill and who the Cutback are on Defense, it will TEACH you what a Cover 2 is, how to play it and how to play against it, it will TEACH you what a Flood Concept is, how to play it and how to play against it... and on and on.

So it would be a much more 'Fun' version of spending 40 bucks for a Football Tutorial on a specific System, where here you can 'have fun' and get a light Tutorial on almost all the NFL Systems.

So for some one wanting to learn, the Drills and Simming your Team will teach you a ton.

Re: Madden 17

By Brrexkl
11/04/2016 5:50 pm
Nicko wrote:
Ares wrote:
Haven't played any of its latest iterations, but in my experience the franchise mode was always very underwhelming. It's supposedly better with 17, but since EA refuses to make its products for the PC I won't ever even get a chance to find out.

I can't even begin to tell you just how much I hate that EA has a monopoly on the NFL license, because they've done nothing with it but produce just this one game with updated rosters every season. They made a brief foray into the management side of the sport with Head Coach, but that was a heap of rubbish. They never followed up because it didn't sell well, but it didn't sell well because the game was total garbage. With the Football Management series being so popular there has to be a market for an NFL equivalent, but that won't happen until the NFL finally lets other game companies start licensing its product. But considering EA pays something like $50M+/year for its exclusivity, that won't likely ever happen.


Yeah EA is the worst. That exclusive deal they have with the NFL has set back "football games" a decade at least. If there was real competition, I have to imagine there would be MUCH better football games out there.

I agree with everything you have to say except, I would add that "NFL Head Coach 09" is one of my favorite football games of all time. It has it's issues, but as far as NFL sims go, I haven't found much better(Except maybe MFN). The roster management has a ton of depth and you can really build successful teams with completely different schemes. It's fun to experiment with different game-plans and whatnot. Also the draft is alot of fun if you're a football nerd like me. Now don't get me wrong, it's not some perfect game, but a quality NFL sim seems like it's nearly impossible to find. Every year Madden's franchise mode is an epic disappointment(not that I buy it every year, I only buy Madden every 5 years or so, and it's still the same game lol). If they made an updated "Head Coach" I would buy it in an instant. I don't even need fancy graphics and all that, I just want a deep intelligent sim... is that so hard to ask.

I'm thankful I found MFN, because this is the most challenging football sim I've ever played. With the opponents being ran by actual people the trades, free agency, and draft are all more fun. I just wish this game had a little more depth/strategy to the "X's and O's".


I have Head Coach and Head Coach 2, and love them both. I do see the flaws, but I love the games. Man, I wish they'd give that another try... and do it right this time.

Head Coach I went with a College Option and went for Josh Johnson at QB. :P Jamaal Charles at RB.

The problem is, I think the Cap is bugged on the game. So long term game is nearly impossible. No way you could do a Youth Movement like my Cleveland Browns are doing right now in real life, because you'd get fired due to Cap before they could fire you for Losing. LMAO!

Re: Madden 17

By raymattison21
11/05/2016 2:22 pm
Brrexkl wrote:
jhartshorn wrote:
As you know I'm new to all things NFL, so no doubt you've all already posted your thoughts, but with Xmas coming and having been a good boy all year (sssh!), I'm wondering whether to go down this route. Just seen trailers and it looks awesome, although I fear I might end up spending 5 hours per day on it, and that'll have to come btw midnight and 6am! :O

I would be more interested in the management side (think it's called 'franchise').

Anyone got any thoughts or experiences of these?

The thing I enjoy most about the NFL and all these games is learning about the 1000's of plays and deciding which to play etc. I love the look of choosing the plays on the game and seeing how they pan out with real 3D players!

Anyway, your thoughts (as scathing as they no doubt will be) would be much appreciated!

jh


I've played Madden since it first came out. Don't miss a Season with it.

You can actually Manage without ever going into a game and 'playing' it... which I do from time to time. I also invite Friends and we'll Manage the games vs. the AI and Play our Head to Head Games, for a mix of who is the best at Management and who is the best at the sticks (controllers).

The issue I have, being a fairly good player, is that there is no realism in Stats. On All-Pro (the 2nd highest difficulty) I'll have 800 Passing or 400 Rushing a game on 10 Minute Quarters and always Win. On All Madden it's much tougher, I will still always Win (even with a Roster full of Rookies via Trade, or the Cleveland Browns) but the Rushing YPC is shot to **** and none of the stats are close to realistic.

Simulating, for the most part, DOES drive realistic stats. So if you want it for a Sim, you'll do well. But if you want it for a Realistic Play... you likely won't get that from any game.

However, there is a bonus. Madden goes VERY DEEP in Tutorial, even breaking down types of Offensive and Defensive Schemes you can practice in Drills. It will TEACH you who the Fill and who the Cutback are on Defense, it will TEACH you what a Cover 2 is, how to play it and how to play against it, it will TEACH you what a Flood Concept is, how to play it and how to play against it... and on and on.

So it would be a much more 'Fun' version of spending 40 bucks for a Football Tutorial on a specific System, where here you can 'have fun' and get a light Tutorial on almost all the NFL Systems.

So for some one wanting to learn, the Drills and Simming your Team will teach you a ton.



I agree a lot with what you say and played madden and coach like you til 2005 or so, but this is why we play MFN now. Stick is irrelevant here, but both games lack a good representation of zone blocking schemes while Madden spends like ten million in development we spend man hours developing the same concepts, but still play this cause its free.

I would play madden too if it were free, but would pay someone else just to break up Electronic Arts and the NFL monopoly stifling actual game engine growth in this market.

Thanks for allowing me this opportunity ...MFN...try this read on madden. This is the stuff I want to hear on our forums one day

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/what-nfl-players-really-think-of-their-madden-ratings-082216